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Tony Wells has gone from being the child of a broken family, to one who has overcome many challenges until he could succeed at becoming the only Black American Commercial Deep Sea Diver to work in the demanding Offshore Oilfields in Southeast Asia, the Middle East and Africa in the 1980s and 1990s. Along the way, he not only became a terrific deep sea driver, but he learned about humanity. "Black Man Under the Deep Blue Sea" is his autobiography, and he is here today to tell us more about his incredible journey.

Tyler: Welcome, Tony. I'm glad you could join me today. I understand the great change in your life began when your family moved to Hawaii when you were fourteen. Would you tell us a little bit about what your life was like prior to that move?

Tony: Prior to moving to Hawaii I was happy with the quiet country-boy lifestyle where we spent most of our time fishing and hunting after school and on holidays. For me there was no better way for a kid growing up during that time.

Tyler: What about the move to Hawaii changed the direction of your future life?

Tony: Well, in Hawaii you're on an island surrounded by the deep blue ocean so I found it only natural to be attracted to it via scuba diving and surfing. Since I've always been the adventurous type I found it easy to transform from exploring on land to exploring underwater. This all came natural to me.

Tyler: Did you take to scuba diving naturally?

Tony: Scuba diving was my means to explore and breath underwater so I took to that like a fish!

Tyler: What about it did you find so enjoyable?

Tony: It was like another world for me. A silent world that had unimaginable limitations and excitement and one which I greatly needed to explore.

Tyler: Lots of people go scuba diving. Why did you decide to transform it into a deep sea diving career?

Tony: Actually, when I was scuba diving in Hawaii I never imagined that I'd someday become a commercial deep sea diver working in the demanding offshore oilfields overseas. Scuba diving is a totally different world from commercial diving. When you're out scuba diving you're just out there enjoying yourself and having a good time, but when you're working as a commercial diver, it's not in the least bit fun anymore because you're actually working and most of the time you're under stress and pressure from above (the 'topside' personnel) to go down there and get a specific job done. You don't have any time for enjoyment at all.

Tyler: What made you decide to become a deep sea diver? Did you ever dream of being something else?

Tony: When I was young we lived in Indianapolis, Indiana and the Indy 500 race track was about a half mile from my house so we could hear when the cars were practicing there. After my uncles brought me there to see the practice and races I knew my destiny in life was to become a professional race car driver. Several years later when my mom remarried to a military man we moved to Hawaii, and I made friends with some guys who raced on the oval dirt tracks there and helped them work on their cars so I still planned on becoming a race car driver someday. However, after I graduated from high school my family moved from Hawaii to California and I started going to college part-time and working a full time job. After a few years of doing this, I realized that I was bored and wanted to travel and do something more exciting for my work so I decided to enroll in the professional commercial diving course at Commercial Diving Center in Wilmington, CA.

Tyler: Deep sea diving has had its dangerous side for you at times. Will you tell us a little bit about those dangers and why despite the dangers, you still found it worthwhile?

Tony: Well, it's just like any other profession, I guess. It does have its dangers but once you're working underwater you just don't have time to think about all the stuff that could possibly go wrong. The moment you start thinking about all of that is the time you shouldn't be a commercial diver anymore.

Tyler: I understand you were a diver for many oil companies?

Tony: Yes, most of us were 'freelance' so that means that we would work for whatever diving company had a job or, if there were several simultaneous jobs, then we would work for whichever company was paying the highest.

Tyler: What exactly was the purpose of your work, and how did you deal with the stress of the demanding oil companies?

Tony: We did all the things that people do while working on topside jobs. The only difference was that we were doing them underwater. Mainly, we did oilfield support type work, so that involved working on oil rigs, pipe laying barges, crane barges, derrick barges and off of large boats, etc. Stress from the demanding oil companies was just another part of our job. For the guys who weren't up to spec or who just couldn't take it then they either would have been run off (fired) or they would just up and quit that profession.

Tyler: You have also been on treasure diving hunts. Will you tell us about those?

Tony: My most notable treasure hunt was when we were searching for the 500-year-old Portuguese ship named, "Flor do Mar," off the coast of North Sumatra. That was really exciting and lasted for almost two years. Another time I was hired to find sunken smuggler's gold off the coast of Pakistan by the Pakistan Government and that was pretty interesting also.

Tyler: How did you transition from working for oil companies into treasure hunting?

Tony: My roommate in Singapore knew some guys who were putting together a team to hunt for a 500-year-old Portuguese ship that sank off the coast of North Sumatra (Indonesia) so he invited me to join them. By that time I was more than happy to do something different and exciting besides the usual oilfield type work I had been doing for the past several years already.

Tyler: I understand that you were once illegally detained by a foreign government. Will you tell us a little bit about that event?

Tony: Well, that was basically a case of us being in the wrong place at the wrong time plus some corruption and greed made up for a combination that no one would have wanted to be caught up in at the time. That was off of a small island in Indonesia where just about anything goes if the circumstances happen to be all against you as was in our case.

Tyler: What kind of work were you doing at the time, and why did the Indonesian government become upset?

Tony: I had some good research on an English shipwreck that had sunk off of a small island in1789 that had lost ten chests of gold and silver coins so myself and a good friend of mine wanted to go and have a general look at the area to see if the project was viable or not. Unfortunately, a few days earlier there had been some other guys in that general area who were using explosives to salvage a steel shipwreck so when the Indonesian police saw us in that area, they assumed we were the ones who had been doing the steel wreck salvaging. Therefore, they took us in and detained us for questioning but even when they realized it wasn't us, they started seeing dollar signs as a requirement of us getting released.

Tyler: Tony, how do you view your life? Your stories sound like the adventures of movies? Did you ever wish for a quiet life instead?

Tony: I view my commercial diving life as quite an adventure and when I look back on it all now, I can honestly say that I'm glad to have lived it. I'm also glad to have survived through some of the many close calls which I experienced on several occasions. Now that I'm older I like the quiet life but back in those days I enjoyed the excitement, explorations and adventures I went through. Yes, as a matter of fact, I do believe my book would make a hell of a great movie also! Haha.

Tyler: Tony, what made you decide to write "Black Man Under the Deep Blue Sea"?

Tony: Many years ago I realized that it's so easy to forget things I had done the previous week, or even previous day sometimes, so for the past twenty or more years I've been keeping a journal because I like to remember everything that's happened to me in my life. It's not that I was all along planning to write my life's story but when I did start remembering and re-reading about those wild and exciting adventures I'd gone through I decided that perhaps I should write my memoirs. I knew that if anyone loves excitement, adventures and humor that they should love reading my book.

Tyler: Why did you choose to highlight yourself as a black man in the title?

Tony: I am a Black American so when it came to choosing the title for my book it was really easy for me. I wanted it to be self-explanatory (Black Man) and also to sound exciting enough to catch the reader's attention (Under the Deep Blue Sea). I'm hoping I've achieved that.

Tyler: Your book also talks about the things you have learned about life and people. What would you say is the "message" of "Black Man Under the Deep Blue Sea"?

Tony: Basically, what I've experienced during all my traveling is that most of the people of different races all over the world just want to be healthy, happy and have love in their lives. My message is that no matter what race or gender you are, don't let ignorance or jealous people put you down or tell you what you 'can' and 'can't' do in life. Anything is possible so if you want to do something just go out and do your best and do it. If my book can inspire just one person in this world I would feel quite satisfied and happy that I did write it.

Tyler: Tony, do you have any plans to write more books?

Tony: "Black Man Under the Deep Blue Sea" is actually my second printed book. My first book is titled, "Shipwrecks & Sunken Treasure In Southeast Asia" and it came as a result of the research I obtained during our search for the 500-year-old Portuguese ship, "Flor do Mar." After that I wrote an ebook titled, "Cannon Journal-Compilation of info on bronze Asian & European Type Cannons (1500-1800's)." If you're a bronze cannon enthusiast then you would definitely love this book. Anyway, the answer to your question is a definite YES.

Tyler: Since you are no longer a deep sea diver, how do you fill your time now?

Tony: At this time I'm working full time for a company in Saint Petersburg, Florida, that makes the world's only real-time 3D underwater sonar. That keeps me pretty busy. I'm also selling my motorcycle gear shifter cushion online and am planning on more marketing to be able hopefully to increase sales so I can do that full time one of these days.

Tyler: Thank you for joining me today, Tony. Before we go, will you tell our readers your website address and what kind of additional information they might find there about your book?

Tony: My pleasure, Tyler. My web site is http://www.tonywells.net and I have more information about my history, some photos of my family, and also some advice to up and coming writers and inventors there. I'm a part-time inventor so there's a link to my motorcycle gear shifter cushion invention, Shiftcush. There's also a link to my bronze cannons website. Enjoy!

Tyler: Thank you, Tony. I wish you many more adventures.

Today, Tyler R. Tichelaar, Associate Editor of Reader Views, is excited to be joined by Tony Wells who is here to talk about his new book "Black Man Under the Deep Blue Sea: Memoirs of a Black Commercial Diver in Southeast Asia," PublishAmerica (2007), ISBN 9781424174225.

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Dear Friends

Take a few minutes, so I can tell you more about Cairns in the Tropical North of Queensland, Australia. This is one amazing place and one of the most favorite Holiday destinations in the Land Down Under!

I am in love with the Great Barrier Reef and the relaxed lifestyle of Cairns. Just as much with the breathtaking Natural and Virgin World Heritage Rainforest in the Tropical North-east. That gave me the idea to share the information with likewise adventurous people, all over the world. I want to provide you with the knowledge and information to make the decision to come experience and enjoy for Yourself what the Best Place on Earth has to offer.

Cairns is a city with approximately 130 000 residents, growing fast. The city is squeezed between the Great Dividing Mountain Range and the Great Barrier Reef. The city is part of- and surrounded by Rainforest and is described as a "City in a Garden". From the shore, the Great Barrier Reef closes in onto the Mainland and can be visited in so many ways to choose from. The Activities is limitless and the best I can do, is to describe as many as I can think of. I will try my best to group them, to give a good idea of possible options.

Weather wise? The average Min. and Max. Temperatures during the Summer months, range between 22 and 32 degrees Celsius and during the Winter months, between 17 and 28 degrees Celsius. Even in the Rainy Season you can expect heaps of sun, which will give you the time to work on a nice, even Suntan. Relax on the many Beaches, Islands, Esplanade Swimming Pool, or out at sea on the many Reef charters. Just remember that the summer months may become very humid. Just make sure that you drink heaps of fluid on these days!

Water activities? Swimming - Your pick whether it would be from a beach, in a pool, natural rock pools, the Esplanade, or the Reef. Just keep well clear of the Rivers, because they are considered as "crocodile-invested". You want to have a relaxing holiday, not to become a meal! Snorkeling - Be amazed by the rich underwater life on the Barrier Reef, Islands, or even off some beaches in the area. Diving - You will find few places in the world, where diving is more of a specialized, main attraction. It would be a sin to visit Cairns and not to use the opportunity to visit the Reef for some of the most pristine diving in the world! Even if you can't swim or have never dived before, expert Diving Instructors can be found on almost every Charter Vessel and they are always ready to take you for an Introductory Diving Lesson, to introduce you to diving. Certified Divers can explore the Reef under the guidance of the same Instructors, to show you the best of each and every Dive Site. A new Craze, is to explore the underwater world by the Seawalker Helmet Dive. You literally walk the seabottom with your head stuck in a glass-bubble. Your hair won't even get wet! This is the ideal way for a person who want to get the feeling of being in an Aquarium, or if you can't swim. Then there is also the option of the Glass bottom Boat Tours. Sit safe in a boat and be amazed while watching the Marine Life gliding by through the Glass Bottom, while listening to a Reef Presentation as the boat travel along. Another similar option, would be to travel in a Semi-submersible Submarine, with its glass windows. It will create the feeling of being in a Submarine, traveling amongst the Rich Marine Environment. Or, just take a seat in an Underwater Viewing Chamber/ Observatory and relax watching the diverse Marine Life. Underwater Scooters - One of the charters even have the option to explore more of the reef, by means of underwater mobilisation!

Scenic Flights? Seaplanes - Cairns Seaplanes will be one of your options to get the "Full Picture" of the Great Barrier Reef and the Tropical Rainforests. The same can be said of the Helicopter Flights. Both will take you for a breathtaking view of the Reef with its stunning blue water, the lush, green islands, the secluded sand-cays and the marine life to be spotted, even from the air. They will offer you any deal from being just a One-way or Return Charter between certain destinations, to a large assortment of choices of Scenic Flights over the Reef and the Rainforest. They will even take you to a secluded destination of choice, to spend quality time with the one you love. Special events, like Weddings or Social Events, are just part of the package they will work out, just for you!

Island and Reef Opportunities? Charters - You will find Day - and even Overnight Charters to serve you the best of what you can expect on your holiday. Options between Charters to various pristine Reef Destinations, is almost limitless. If you thought a dive in Daytime is good, you haven't try a Nightdive yet! To sleep over at sea, is just as good. It is a wonderful experience, bringing some new peace in your heart and soul. Diving and Snorkling would be the main activities on most of the charters, but do not feel left out if that is not what you are into, because just the experience of being out at see and the alternative activities alone, will guarantee to colour up your day!

If you would love to spend your day on an Island, there is a few to pick from. Although there are many islands around, Green Island, Fitzroy-Island and The Frankland Islands would be the most visited Islands from Cairns. From Port Douglas you can visit the Low Islands. There is a few other, of which some is more Private, like Double Island off Palm Cove. Most of the larger Islands mentioned, will offer you a variety of activities, like Swimming, Snorkeling, Diving, Hiking, Glass-bottom Boat and Semi-submersible Tours. There is also activities such as the Helmet Dive, Sea-trampoline, Kayaking, Nautical Museum, Para-gliding or even Camping and Fishing at some. The best way would be to browse through my Activity listings to see which each has to offer.

Other Adventure Activities? Bungy-jumping - AJ Hackett is the inventor of Bungy-jumping and Cairns was obviously one of the first choices in Australia to build a structure to introduce other adrenalin- junky minded people too the "Rush". They have resently just celebrated 20 years of safe jumping in Cairns! Hot Air Ballooning - Go for a Breathtaking Champagne Breakfast over the Tablelands, just west of Cairns. Watch the Sunrise over the Rainforests in the east, while looking down over the farmlands right under you, as they drift by. White Water River Rafting - Take your pick! From Half-day to Full-day packages, from Moderate to Daring! Take the Barron River or take on the mighty Tully River which will deliver you an Extreme Experience. Sky-diving - So many options to choose from. Different heights, different locations, with different views! From qualified Sky-diving, to Tandem Sky-diving. Para-gliding - Have fun being towed behind a powerful speedboat, while hanging from a parachute. Microlights - Get Introductory Microlight Flight lessons from Port Douglas. Enjoy the spectacular views as you glide over the beaches and river systems, while still doing valid flying hours at the same time. Kayaking - There is a couple of places to practice your rowing skills and to enjoy the freedom of the ocean. Jet-ski - Heaps of fun is the word! ATV- Riding - That is the description for "All Terrain Vehicles", or 4-wheeler Dirt Bikes. Just up the Tablelands, you will have the option to test your off-road driving skills on some off-road tracks. Horse riding - If you love horses and the tropics, where better to "wind down" on horseback. There is various places to choose from. Take a winding road down the forest, or play in the waves on the beach. Four Wheel Drive, Offroad Driving - Test your skills on the various offroad tracks, from the local area, the famous Bloomfield track from Cape Tribulation up to Cooktown, or even as far as up to Cape York. Jungle Swinging - You have two options to choose from. The one is at AJ Hackett's place where the Bungy-jumping is done from and the second at Cape Tribulation. Be thrilled by this high speed swing and at the same time, share and enjoy the moment with a friend, because up to three people can swing at a time. Hiking - You will find a variety of Walking Trails all in and around the city itself, or take some of the bigger challenges on some that may even take you up to a few days. Mountaineering- Pyramid Mountain would be the most famous one to give a go close to Cairns and there is even a race up the mountain once a year.

Wildlife? Zoo - You have the Cairns Wildlife Zoo close to Palm Cove and the Wildlife Safari Zoo up at Kuranda. Meet the native animals of Australia close-up at the Cairns Wildlife Zoo and have breakfast with the Beasts of Africa, at the Wildlife Safari Zoo. Bird-and Butterfly Sanctuaries - You have a combination of these sanctuaries at Kuranda and the Wildlife Habitat at Port Douglas. Interact with the friendly birds and animals and feed them yourself. Be amazed by the colorful Butterflies, of which many native of the Tropical Rainforests of Australia. Crocodile Farms - Go for a tour at Hartley's Crocodile Farm, or the Crocodile Tours up the Trinity Inlet. Get expert guides to give you a presentation about the Rulers of the River and watch them feed the crocs. Get a newfound respect for these awesome reptiles. Wildlife Spotting - Take a tour with the old Army Duck at Kuranda and discover the native life in the Tropical swamps up at the Tableland. At Cape Tribulation you can choose between a Crocodile-spotting Expedition at Night, or a Wildlife-spotting Tour at Night, around the local forest. One of the most diverse and natural eco-systems in the world, can be found around Cape Tribulation.

Fishing? If you like fishing, Cairns is the place to be! From fishing the Dams inland for the famous Barramundi, to fishing the Estuaries for Mangrove Jack, Trevally, Blue Salmon, or Barramundi again, you still haven't scratch the surface of choices! You can fish the many Rivers, the Beaches, the Rock-walls, the Islands, the Reef or the Deep-water of the Coral Sea. Cairns is on top of the list to go for the most sought-after heavy-weight,- the Black Marlin! Then I haven't even mentioned the many Tuna-, Mackerel and other favorite Deep-sea species. With at least 1500 known species of fish on the Reef alone, the possibilities is limitless!

City life? Markets- Stroll through the Cairns Night Markets and be amazed by all the the local and overseas products up for sale. Indulge yourself with the varity of food served. Shops- Cairns have so many different Shopping Centers to choose from, but the best known one in the hart of the city, would be Cairns Central. If you want to take souvenirs back home with you, there is more shops than you can handle in the city. This is one of the reasons why Cairns is so famous as a Holiday-destination! Take your time and browse the different shops, or just sit back and relax while enjoying a Coffee, or have, from a Breakfast, to a Full Meal, at one of the many Food Outlets. Nightlife- Cairns is well-known for its famous Nightlife, with many Pubs and Nightclubs. Always heaps of people to meet and the atmosphere is Electrifying! Be ready to party the night away!

Sightseeing? Kuranda- This is a great little town to explore! It is described as a Village in the Forest. It have its own markets and as I've mentioned before, a Bird-and Butterfly Sanctuary. Close you will find the Wetlands, which you can explore by means of the old Army Duck, an Amphibious Vehicle to drive on land and just as well in the water. It is a beautiful, easy-going town and a nice place to wind down. The Safari Wildlife Park, can also be found just a short distance from the town. If you take the road to Kuranda, make sure to stop over at the Scenic Look-out point, from where you can gaze down on Cairns with its Sugarcane fields, with the Coral Sea and the Great Barrier Reef in the distant background. The winding road will take you through Virgin Rainforest, which will impress you for sure. Skyrail- Another Scenic alternative, is to take this option, to glide over the Forest Canopy, just meters above the trees. Glide past the Barron Falls and stop over at the Mid-way station for a presentation about the forest history and get to see one of the oldest trees in the forest. Many people prefer to do one way with the Skyrail and the return with the Kuranda Scenic Train, of which I will talk next. Kuranda Scenic Railway- This is another option to visit, or return from Kuranda. As I've said, this option is a favorite to use in conjunction with the Skyrail. The breathtaking scenes remain the same, but from a different angle. Look down on the Barron-falls as you pass, or try to spot some wildlife on your trip. Barron-falls- From Kuranda, you can visit the Barron-falls, which can be extra spectacular in the rainy season. Take a Scenic Walking Trail down to the look-out point and be amazed by the awesome Forest Fauna and Flora. Barron-gorge- This is the rapids below the Barron-falls, you can visit from Cairns. Cross the bridge towards the Hydro Power Station and look down at the fast flowing waters beneath you. The raw beauty of the surrounding area, make up great pictures to take back home. Copperlodge Dam/Lake Morris- You can visit this dam by taking another Scenic Route from Cairns, by a narrow, winding road that go up the mountain range. Be astonished by the beauty of this eery Lake in the clouds, which feed Cairns with its pristine, clean, nice tasting water. Crystal Cascades- Visit this clear water Creek and cool off in its inviting cool water. The name describing it as "The Crystal Cascades" is very accurate with all the different natural pools and rock boulders down its path. From there you can also take a Walking trail up to the Copperlodge dam if you wish. The natural Forest is again, just amazing! Mossmann-gorge- This famous Gorge, is very much like the Crystal Cascades, but just close to port Douglas. The natural pools is just inviting and a pleasure to cool off in! The Gorge is situated in the Daintree National Park, which is one of the Natural Wonders of the World. Josephine-falls- / The Boulders-/ Fishery-falls. These 3 falls, is all situated in different areas between Cairns and Innisfail and although very similar in description to the Crystal Cascades and Mossmann-gorge, it each have its own draw-power and beauty. Visit the Pyramid-mountain, from where some of them originate and be stunned by the glare of the many smaller falls, all around the mountain, in the rainy season.

Sports? Cairns would not be a town if without any sports. I am not going to go into it much, because that is a aspect which is very similar wherever you go. Just as other towns, Cairns have its own share of sports-facilities, all over town.

Great places within a day's drive south of Cairns? Paronella Park - A great place with breathtaking views and awesome Rainforest, just south of Innisfail. Mission Beach- Have fun and enjoy the sun on this long stretch of pristine beach with heaps of activities. Whitsundays- Explore this group of 74 Great Islands. Leave from Airlie-beach for a visit, or a stay-over at many of the inhabited islands. Hamilton Island with it's own Airport, or the exclusive Hayman Island for people who expect just the best. Then there is Lindeman Island for people who want to share an island with only the bare minimum holiday-makers or the fun Daydream Island. Also visit many of the other islands, such as Long Island, South-and North Mole Islands or Hook Island. Visit the breathtaking Whitehaven Beach, with the purest and highest quality pure, white Silica Sand in the world. Party your night away in loveable Airlie-beach, which can lifestyle wise, be compared with Cairns in the small.

Great Places within a day's drive north of Cairns? Port Douglas- A great town and nice place to wind down if you want peace away from the city-life. Heaps of activities, of which the most involve travelling to the nearby Low-islands or the Reef. Mossmann- Named after the famous Mossmann-gorge as I've described earlier. Cape Tribulation - A must go, especially if you are a backpacker. A very nice place to take part in various different activities, with a natural attraction for people, young and old! The nature is raw and untouched and it is the only place in the world, where two of the Natural Wonders of the World, meet up. The Great Barrier Reef meet the Ancient Daintree Rainforest on your doorstep! Walk onto the reef in some places, from the beach! Take the Bloomfield Track with your 4 x 4 vehicle, to the last Outback Town, better known as Cooktown. From there on north, only dirt tracks will lead you, until eventually you will end up at Cape York, the most northern point of Australia. Just be reminded, that will take you more than a day to complete and you will not be able to do it without being well prepared. But, that is another adventure well worth to give some thought!

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Website-info: When you visit the URL-link mentioned above, please take your time to browse through each of the different activities I have described in short, in the "Activities Catalog" and for more detailed information, visit the links I have provided with each. I am still updating information on this page and should you want more detail on any related subject mentioned by me, of which you can not find the correct information in the catalog, feel welcome to sent me an email for more detail. I would love to help where possible. You will find most these activities, within a reasonable radius of 150 km and less from Cairns. More than 90% of the activities, is within 40 km of the heart of the City.

In the "Photo Album", I have decided to share some of the Pictures I took in this area. Some is really great and reflect what you can expect to see for yourself in this awesome place! Also have a look at the "spiced up" Multi -media pages I have created.

Hope you have enjoyed the article and that you are much more informed about one of the best places on earth. Please come and visit and tell your friends all about it!

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All about myself. I have immigrated from Namibia, a neigbour country of South Africa, to Australia in 2008. I always thought that I had a very colourful life in the country where I grew up and I will still stand by it, but I was not prepared to be introduced to something even better! I had been to a few other places, but since I moved to Cairns almost two year ago, I have decided that is what I have always dreamt about and likewise adventure seeking people will agree once they got sucked in by this friendly, easy-going city. I spent my time doing all the stuff I always wanted to do and that brought me to the point of starting to share the knowledge to other people who didn't realize that such a place exist. I share this information on my website, with people who have similar interests and anyone else whom would like to try it out. I can't imagine that anyone out there, would not be able to find something in their interest in this place. There is something for everyone!

Well, I hope my information sharing have done the trick and hope your next goal is to visit Cairns and experience it for yourself!